Norwalk Residents Already Show Interest In Gun Buybacks

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Norwalk police will pay $100 for assault rifles such as these during the department's gun buyback program on Saturday. Photo Credit: Flickr user smays

NORWALK, Conn. – A few Norwalk residents have contacted the Norwalk Police Department in advance of Saturday’s gun buyback program and are prepared to turn in weapons, according to Lt. Praveen John.

The buyback initiative, established with an anonymous donation of $5,026, is scheduled for 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and will be administered by John and Sgt. Lisa Cotto. People who turn in working guns will be given Visa gift cards of $50 (rifles and shotguns), $75 (handguns) or $100 (automatic and semiautomatic assault guns).

“So far, three people have contacted us that they won’t be able to make it on Saturday but they want to turn in guns later,” said John. “We’ll make arrangements with them.”

Stamford police recently conducted a gun buyback program and netted 56 guns over a four-day period.

People who bring in guns during the Norwalk program will be asked to sign a waiver to receive their gift card. The waiver says they give up the rights to the gun, which will be destroyed by the state.

John did not have any estimates of how many people might participate in the buyback program, but he expects some may be older residents who have had guns in their homes for years and no longer want or need them.

“God forbid their home gets burglarized and the gun ends up in the wrong hands,” John said. “That’s the kind of thing we’re hoping to avoid.”

Despite the program’s good intentions, it is not without controversy, as many residents on Facebook and in comments to stories on The Norwalk Daily Voice have questioned its effectiveness.

“No one who has purchased a firearm legally would turn them in for that amount of money,” wrote one reader. “Now for the people who stole them, yeah it is free money.”

All the guns being turned in must be unloaded and bagged or boxed. They should be in working condition; guns that are considered junk will be accepted but will not be eligible for reimbursement.

Additionally, the guns should be transported to police headquarters in the trunk of a car, and ammunition should be brought in a separate bag or box.

Only individuals are eligible for the program, not businesses, according to the department. People bringing guns are asked to park in the department’s visitors parking lot and use the side entrance to the Community Room on South Main Street.

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The Norwalk Truth:

PONY TAIL STEVE AKA JIM T
Did it take you all day to think of that reply..Didn't you get 10 of those same reply removed today..Thanks for the laugh troll

Tim T:

OH ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHY WE DO NOT WANT ARMED GUARDS IN SCHOOLS

As the two officers confronted a gunman in front of the Empire State Building on a busy Friday morning, they had to make a snap decision: Do they open fire in the middle of Midtown?

From a distance of less than 10 feet, the officers, Craig Matthews and Robert Sinishtaj, answered in unison; one shot nine times and the other seven.

Investigators believe at least 7 of those 16 bullets struck the gunman, said Paul J. Browne, the Police Department’s chief spokesman. But the officers also struck some, if not all, of the nine bystanders who were wounded.

This was the second time in two weeks that the police were involved in a fatal shooting in Midtown; on Aug. 11, two officers fired 12 shots at a knife-wielding man after he escaped arrest in Times Square.

The Patrol Guide prohibits officers from firing their weapons if, “in their professional judgment, doing so will unnecessarily endanger innocent persons.”

Mr. Browne said that in Friday’s shooting, the two officers had taken account of their surroundings before firing, as they are trained to do. Video surveillance footage, Mr. Browne said, shows that most of the wounded bystanders were closer to the Empire State Building, while the shooter was near the curb.

One of those wounded said he was standing behind the gunman when the police opened fire.

“One of the cops shot me in my arm,” a 23-year-old man, Robert Asika, said outside Bellevue Hospital Center. He said that the gunman was moving toward him, and suggested that the officers “shot me probably trying to shoot him.”

Tim T:

Actually the people of Newtown want to bad all gun and rightfully so. Also you mention the "26 dead ones". what you forgot to mention is the fact that the guns used to slaughter those "26 dead ones" were legally purchased. The people of Newtown are correct we do need to ban all guns and your obsessed posts prove that point.

Tim T:

HERE IS THE NORMAL OUTCOME WHEN THE POLICE/ARMED GUARDS GET INVOLVED IN A SHOOTOUT IN A PUBLIC PLACE.

Shootout raises questions for NYPD

Just over a week after NYPD officers shot and killed a knife-wielding man in Times Square, reports emerged from today’s fatal shooting outside the Empire State Building that some of the injured bystanders had been struck by police-fired bullets.

Nine people were injured and two were killed in the midtown shooting, which began when 58-year-old Jeffrey Johnson approached his former employer and shot him in the head at close range. The shooter then fled, chased by two uniformed officers. Johnson opened fire on them, before they returned fire, fatally shooting him. Of the bystanders who were shot, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg admitted “some may have been shot accidentally by police officers who responded.”

Details remain unclear as to which shots came from Johnson and which from the NYPD. However, as Gothamist noted, “Johnson’s gun holds eight bullets and he reportedly used at least three to shoot his manager. Officers fired 14 rounds and nine bystanders in total were shot.” Stray bullets hit victims standing inside the Empire State Building foyer and one bystander standing behind the window of a nearby Duane Reade.

Like the incident earlier this month in Times Square, the shooting has prompted questions about police operation of firearms; in both cases multiple rounds were used to take down and kill one assailant. And although these incidents in two of the city’s busiest tourist areas provide headline-grabbing news, for many New Yorkers, police-involved shootings are less uncommon. Notably, in February police shot unarmed 18-year-old Ramarley Graham in his Bronx home; the shooting officer has been indicted on manslaughter, not murder charges.

According to the annual NYPD Firearm Discharge Report (most recently released for 2010 incidents), in 2010 the NYPD had the “fewest firearms discharges, and shot and killed the fewest number of people since formal recording of such data began 40 years ago in 1971.” The number of subjects “shot and injured” by officers that year was 16, according to the report. Figures for 2011 and 2012 are not yet available, but will likely be higher. It remains to be seen how the police’s use of lethal force today will be judged — but it’s certainly a number of injuries to add to the 2012 firearm discharge tally.

UPDATE: According to the New York Times, “A law enforcement official said later on Friday that Mr. Johnson did not fire his weapon at the
officers.” This runs counter to earlier reports and statements from Mayor Michael Bloomberg and police commissioner Ray Kelly who both said the police were returning fire.. This also suggests that all bystanders may have been struck by police bullets.

Ken P Jr:

Personally I find gun by backs about as effective as sugar pills. I hope that the officers running it will be on their own time & not on the clock. I dont pay taxes to have officers doing things like this. Maybe one of our local anti gun politicians can hand out the gift cards & collect the guns.
I'm also still wondering how these transactions are even legal in this state. I'm not a legal scholar, but I am VERY familiar with the state firearm statutes & as far as I can see there is NO exception to the statutory requirements regarding transfers of assault weapons or handguns allowing for a "no questions asked" transfer to a municipal PD. Anybody entering the PD with a handgun without a permit should be arrested, anybody transferring any gun that doesnt belong to them should be arrested. Any gun turned in found to be stolen property should be returned to its rightful owner. The obvious flaws to these things are so obvious a blind man should be able to see them.

Niikk:

THE DAILY SCHOOL SHOOTING FOR TODAY

AMAZING HOW THE RIGHT WING NUTS AND THE NRA WANT MORE OF THESE SHOOTING..MAYBE THAT HAVE STOCK IN CASKET MANUFACTURES?

Atlanta School Shooting Update: Armed officer working at middle school disarmed suspect, says chief

(AP) ATLANTA - Atlanta's police chief says an armed officer working at a city middle school where a student was shot was able to disarm the suspect, also a student, moments after the shooting.

Authorities say a 14-year-old boy was shot in the back of the neck Thursday at Price Middle School and his injury does not appear to be life-threatening. The suspect was taken into custody.

Chief George Turner says multiple shots were fired, and only the 14-year-old was wounded. After some initial confusion about the nature of a teacher's injuries, officials now say the teacher received minor cuts in the aftermath of the shooting.

Police spokesman Carlos Campos says investigators believe the shooting was not random and that something occurred between the two people involved that may have led up to it.

Students at the school were kept inside for hours as their parents waited anxiously outside. By 5p.m. children were being reunited with their parents.

Atlanta Public Schools Superintendent Erroll Davis says the school has metal detectors and officials are looking into how the gun got on campus.

Ken P Jr:

The "wing nuts" are NOT those who advocate for saftey. This shooter was stopped by armed security, something the NRA supports & recommended, as did many on the left UNTIL the NRA suggested the same thing. I'v never seen so many people willing to cut off their noses to spite their face. If Newtown had the same policy as the school in Atlanta we could argue about much more mundane issues & very likely 20 sets of parents would still have their children.

right wing are wackos:

NO Ken afraid you are wrong
If these weapons of mass destruction were banned very likely 20 sets of parents would still have their children..See maybe you are not aware but those weapons of mass destruction were purchased legally by the mother. The mother went and taught her son how to shoot. The son then took those legally purchased weapons of mass destruction and the skills that he learned and slaughtered 20 children and 6 adults.
I know you will not understand this due to the disease but those are the facts.

Ken P Jr:

What was I wrong about?
Weapons of mass destruction? LMAO you guys are pathetic, truly pathetic.
I know who they were purchased by & I know everything you just spewed. How stupid can a person be that they believe if one type of gun is banned shootings will stop. Pretty stupid in my view but thats irrelevant. If we banned cars it would prevent almost all these things & many other violent crimes too. And a gun ban is no less stupid. Its like putting a "no roaches allowed" sign on your door instead of cleaning your house.

If these guns are so terribly dangerous then why do the police use them? The tragedy here is that many people think just like you do & when the ban passes and another massacre happens the sheeple will follow along obediently when their masters tell them we need another law, and another and another.

Luckily the people of Newtown realize the stupidity of thinking a gun free policy is anything but a joke & decided to put armed guards in their schools.

right wing are wackos:

You are correct Jim it was not the assault weapon that he used as he never got to that point. What he did use was a regular old long gun that legally belonged to his mother, which she legally taught him how to shoot and murder. SO what you are saying Jim is being it was a regular old long gun is that we should ban all guns and repeal the 2nd amendment. That is a bit much don't you think? However you do make a compelling case for the repeal.
Great Post Jim glad that you are finally showing some common sense.

Pony Tail Steve:

Thank GOD there was an armed guard there to stop the shooter:

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/02/33962-armed-guard-stops-middle-school-shooting-prevents-deaths/

We notice you never cite your sources, is that because you make them up?

Jim T:

This is interesting as well. Thank you President Obama for selling more guns than any other US president in US history!

Faced with months of surging demand, Wal-Mart is rationing sales of ammunition.
The nation's largest retailer is limiting ammunition sales at its stores across the country to three boxes per customer, per day.

Guns and ammunition have been flying off store shelves since President Obama's reelection in November, and the firearm rush only picked up in the wake of the tragic school shooting in Newtown, Conn., in December.
More and more people are buying up guns while they have the chance, since many are worried that their right to buy assault weapons could be curtailed with gun control legislation. The increased demand has hit Wal-Mart's (WMT, Fortune 500)ammunition supply.

"Right now we're monitoring supply issues daily, since supply is limited at this time," said Ashley Hardie, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman. "We're trying to take care of as many customers as possible and we're working with suppliers to put products back on shelves."
Hardie said that the purchase limit will stay in place until the retailer is able to resolve the shortage.

Gun sales soared following the presidential election, and kept pace in the wake of Sandy Hook. Gun shop owners told CNNMoney that semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines are flying off shelves as the country slogs through a national debate about firearms and the Second Amendment.
Background checks, the most reliable way to track the number of gun sales, have reached their highest levels in fifteen years over the last 6 weeks, according to FBI data.

Eight of the 10 highest days for gun background checks since 1998 have taken place since the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., on Dec. 14, and more than a quarter of all background checks in 2012 occurred in November and December alone.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/31/news/companies/walmart-gun-ammunition/

Paige:

Jim - The most interesting part of this whole discussion is something you indirectly referenced, which is the involvement of Barak Obama’s administration in gun sales. The fact remains that one major release of serious firepower didn’t come from the private gun dealers, it came from Fast and Furious.

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"Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders."

The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels…. According to Humberto Benítez Treviño, former Mexican Attorney General and chair of the justice committee in the Chamber of Deputies, related firearms have been found at numerous crime scenes in Mexico where at least 150 Mexican civilians were maimed and killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

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The question that no one seems to want to ask is how many American citizens have been murdered by criminals using the very firearms whose sales were sanctioned by the U.S. Government?

Paige:

Yep, Right Wing, it's those guys from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue who are engaged in all those gun sales via Fast and Furious.

This is from Wikipedia, which I am sure only covers a portion of the entire program.

"Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders."[7]

The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.[7][8][9] The tactic was questioned during the operations by a number of people, including ATF field agents and cooperating licensed gun dealers.[10][11][12][13][14] During Operation Fast and Furious, by far the largest "gunwalking" probe, the ATF monitored the sale of over 2,000 firearms, of which only 700 were recovered as of October 20, 2011.[15] A number of straw purchasers have been arrested and indicted; however, as of October 2011, none of the targeted high-level cartel figures have been arrested.

The operation began on October 31, 2009, when a local gun store reported to the Phoenix ATF that four individuals had purchased multiple AK47 style rifles.[43] In November 2009, the Phoenix office's Group VII, which would be the lead investigative group in Fast and Furious, began to follow a prolific gun trafficker. He had bought 34 firearms in 24 days, and he and his associates bought 212 more in the next month. The dealers involved became concerned as months went by and the same individuals they reported to ATF as suspected straw purchasers returned and repeatedly bought identical weapons. As they later told the DOJ OIG, their previous experience was that after they reported a suspected straw to ATF, they did not see the straw again unless subpoenaed to testify against the straw at trial.[23] One cooperating dealer expressed his concerns in a series of emails in April and June 2010 to GS David Voth, who assured the dealer that ATF was monitoring the suspects using a variety of techniques that he could not discuss in detail. By June 2010, suspects had purchased 1,608 firearms at a cost of over US$1 million at Phoenix-area gun shops. At that time, the ATF was also aware of 179 of those weapons being found at crime scenes in Mexico, and 130 in the United States.[8] As guns traced to Fast and Furious began turning up at violent crime scenes in Mexico, ATF agents stationed there also voiced opposition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

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Interesting how the gun dealers were the concerned parties in this case. Also very interesting how 130 of the weapons that were released and sanctioned by the AFT ended up at U.S. crime scenes.

Tim T:

OH YET ANOTHER SUCCESS
San Mateo Gun Buyback 'Huge Success'

by KQED News Staff and Wires | January 28, 2013 — 8:07 PM

San Mateo county officials now have 700 guns off the streets, including twenty-four assault rifles, after a gun buyback this weekend.

People lined up for blocks outside the Event Center in San Mateo to sell handguns for $100 each, and larger guns for $200. Participants were limited to turning in a total of three guns.

The entire event was conducted by vehicle - participants stayed in their cars while sheriff's deputies opened trunks and removed the guns, making sure they were in working order and unloaded.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Rebecca Rosenblatt says it was well worth the effort.

"I know that there were some pictures from the press release of some very serious guns that were taken in," Rosenblatt says. "There were some naysayers that said 'oh, you're just going to get shotguns and some hunting rifles,' and I think those pictures, seeing these very violent guns as well as those assault rifles, shows that this event really will have an impact."

Saturday's event cost over $63,000, and was the first buyback in several years by San Mateo County. The county split the expense with Peninsula Congresswoman Jackie Speier, who contributed unused campaign funds.

Tim T:

PONY TAIL STEVE / JIM T

Thanks for the laugh as we are laughing hysterically.

CLICK THE LINK AT THE END AND THE PIC SAYS IT ALL..ONLY A FOOL WOULD DISAGREE

After successful gun buyback in Trenton, are more in store

WHYY's Phil Gregory will be reporting later this afternoon on the anonymous, no-questions-asked gun buyback program in Trenton, N.J., last weekend that netted 2,500 weapons. He's asking if N.J. Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa is planning any more buybacks in the state after this and an earlier successful campaign in Camden that saw 1,137 weapons turned in.

Check NewsWorks later for the story.

Incidentally, take a look at the picture from last weekend in Trenton. Does one of these things seem ... not like the others? (That's a shoulder-fired rocket launcher on the right-hand side.)

http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local//the-feed/50239-after-successful-gun-buyback-in-trenton-are-more-in-store

Jim T:

Police officers in Seattle, Washington held their first gun buyback program in 20 years this weekend, underneath interstate 5, and soon found that private gun collectors were working the large crowd as little makeshift gun shows began dotting the parking lot and sidewalks. Some even had “cash for guns” signs prominently displayed.

Police stood in awe as gun enthusiasts and collectors waved wads of cash for the guns being held by those standing in line for the buyback program.

People that had arrived to trade in their weapons for $100 or $200 BuyBack gift cards($100 for handguns, shotguns and rifles, and $200 for assault weapons) soon realized that gun collectors were there and paying top dollar for collectible firearms. So, as the line for the chump cards got longer and longer people began to jump ship and head over to the dealers.

John Diaz, Seattles Police Chief, wasn’t pleased with the turn of events stating “I’d prefer they wouldn’t sell them,” but admitted it’s perfectly legal for private individuals to buy and sell guns, FOR NOW. Mayor Mike McGinn said at a news conference the private transactions are a loophole that needs to be closed.“There’s no background checks, and some (guns) could be exchanged on the streets that shouldn’t be in circulation.”

But Schuyler Taylor, a previous gun retailer attending the event in hopes of buying weapons, asked “Why not offer them cash versus a gift card? I’m still taking the guns off the streets; they’re just going in my safe.”

People were reportedly, at one point, jumping out of vehicles whilst sitting in traffic – making on the spot deals with the gun dealers.

http://www.libertynews.com/2013/01/collectors-hijack-gun-buyback-in-seattle-offer-more-money-for-guns/

lwitherspoon:

@Jim T

Interesting post but are private sales with no background check legal in CT?

Ken P Jr:

Only for long guns Witherspoon & to my knowledge no recent shootings can be pinned on a gun obtained in such a way. I think I might find requireing NICS checks for private long gun sales acceptable IF the state provides sufficient personnel to perform them in a timely manner. Right now thats not the case & I'd rather not bog down the system with people selling or giving friends or relatives deer rifles & shotguns when the real issue in this state & city is almost universally handguns, handguns I might add that are almost universally obtained thru illegal channels.

Paige:

Ken and Spoon,

This interesting quote from Cory Booker turned up today in one of my emails. I'll try to trace it back to the source.

CORY BOOKER, NEWARK MAYOR (D-N.J.): To me, the data should drive our decision making. So I know, I’m not afraid of people having guns who are law abiding citizens. In the analysis of gun murders and shootings in my city, I could only find one in the entire time I’ve been mayor – and unfortunately there have been hundreds and hundreds – where a person who was involved in a shooting where they had their gun legally, where they legally acquired their gun. The guns that are causing carnage in our cities, my city and our country, every single year are acquired illegally."

This looks like a good, neutral link:

http://www.inquisitr.com/453631/cory-booker-im-not-afraid-of-law-abiding-gun-owners-video/

Jim T:

I was more so disputing the effectiveness of the buy back programs, as they are well intention-ed, however comical. No one with a decent gun is going to sell it to the police for next to nothing. That beautiful AR 15 show above is now $1000 even at walmart.

Here is a link for CT laws:

http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?a=4213&q=494616

sononeknows:

maybe a few parking tickets could be taken care of wpuldn'[t cost the city much money and that would be better than money.

Few less guns in the hands of owners tucked away under the bed as opposed to the ones in pockets of kids may be the target I am hearing.I'm sure those long guns and machine guns were never destined to rob cab drivers in Norwalk anyways.

Sorry folks I just don't feel the love for Norwalk in this buy back program yet.

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