Handguns Reported Stolen From Norwalk Home

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NORWALK, Conn. - Two handguns were reported missing and possibly stolen from a Norwalk home, police said.

The owner of the home on Blue Mountain Road told police that he had last seen the guns in August when he cleaned them. He had put them in a safe and locked it. On Feb. 1 he noticed that the safe was closed but not locked and that the two guns were missing.

The owner's house is being renovated and he said that there have been several workers in his house since he last saw the guns. Several family members have also visited the home.

The guns are a 9 mm handgun and a .22 caliber semi-automatic handgun. Police are investigating the incident.

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drive fast take chances:

I say ban robdny and repeal the First ammendment.
The Armed Citizen Extra http://www.americanrifleman.org/ArmedCitizen

One man was killed and another was at large Wednesday after a woman put her father's lesson in firearms to use during a burglary in southeast Oak Cliff. "I just hate that she didn't get both of them,' said Charles Brown, the homeowner. Dallas police say Brown's daughter was upstairs about 11:30 a.m. when the two men kicked down the front door of the family's home… The woman, alerted by a home alarm, fired several shots at the men, striking at least one of them as they charged up the stairs. Both men ran out of the front door, where one of them collapsed. The armed intruder was taken to Methodist Dallas Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead. (The Dallas Morning News, Dallas, TX, 10/18/12)

robdny:

I say ban all guns and repeal the second Amendment

Sturm44:

At least you're being honest. Good luck with that. I suggest starting a petition.

.jrey:

When you read some of the posts from the pro gun group they clearly show a reason for gun control as their obsession shows a mental instability

M. Murray:

Lets see how much time the criminals who stole the guns get for te burglary and illegal possession of a firearm. From my knowledge, if thy don't use those guns to shoot someone they will get less than 3 years. That is the problem. Gun laws we have are not fully enforced. If they actually had to serve a full 20 years, they would be less likely to steal them

The Norwalk Truth:

If you would like to see a good reason why we need gun control I would suggest you look at the link below..Just look at the anger, horrible comments about Muslims , and the threats when others do not walk in lock step with him. This is very typical of the pro gun types.
http://norwalk.dailyvoice.com/users/jim-t

Sturm44:

Huh? Lets see how mild those anti-gun rights people are:

http://www.examiner.com/article/anti-gun-advocates-threaten-olympic-shooter-family-with-death

http://twitchy.com/2012/12/16/amid-increasing-death-threats-nra-braces-for-d-c-anti-gun-march-led-by-left-wing-credo-mobile/

http://www.examiner.com/article/nra-president-blames-obama-media-for-hundreds-of-death-threats

lwitherspoon:

@Ken P and Jim T

My point is that the law should change so that people who do own guns have more of an incentive to keep them secured. If you want to own a gun, that's fine, but you have to be responsible and store it in such a way that keeps it out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill. If you abdicate that responsibility, you should be responsible for all of the consequences.

We don't know what happened in this case but it doesn't sound like these guns were well secured if it was possible for robbers to simply open the safe and take them. I wonder what the criminals will now do with their stolen guns. Hopefully it won't be another Newtown.

Paige:

Spoon,

I have to disagree with you here. Having firearms in a locked safe is a secured location. How much more secure could they be?

Jim T:

Some people feel more regulations and rules will somehow protect them from bad things, and bad people.
Its sort of sad when you think about it.

kybrdplyr:

Sorry Paige. Years ago when the estimate was one out of seven Americans had had a direct experience of gun violence, my sister-in-law's brother broke into his Dad's "secured" safe for a handgun, found the bullets in the top shelf of the closet, went to the local department store where his ex-girlfriend worked and shot her dead when she finished her shift. They were both sixteen.

I agree with other gun owners on other threads that a biometric safe is the only really secure solution for firearms. Locks can definitely be broken.

Jim T:

Thats horrible to read. Sorry to hear that about your family. We grew up with guns in the house, knew where they were and where the bullets were too. As did many of my friends, and other family members. Never any problems. 30 odd 6, couple 22's of course, 9mm.
So I think its unfair for you to think just because something bad happened to your family, you should make everyone else pay for it.
What if your family member was killed by a stolen car? Would you want to ban all cars?

kybrdplyr:

Uh, no, Jim T, I never suggested anyone should pay for anything (except my sister-in-law's brother who was a minor at the time and served time in Juvy and adult prison but has been out of prison for many years.) What I did suggest was a form of security that has been mentioned on other gun regulations blogs and which I have researched a bit - biometric safes.

You said something very offensive by saying I suggested "everyone else pay for it." Do you know the power of words? Such crimes as I described are heartbreaking to all involved. This happened in a small community where everyone was affected. That response was enough and lessons were learned the hard way.

Your analogy is likewise ridiculous as, of course, many if not most people are car owners. Learn how to think, THEN write.

lwitherspoon:

@Paige

We don't really know what happened here, but the guns were obviously not well secured if someone other than the owner was able to take them without damaging the safe. We can speculate endlessly on what happened but the bottom line is that the gun owner's security failed. Maybe he forgot to lock the safe, maybe he left the keys in an obvious location, but whatever the case, the security measures were not enough. There should be some minimum standard of security that gun owners are required to adhere to, and they should be held accountable when they fail to adhere to that standard.

Are your guns secure? I hope so. Think of how it would feel to have your weapons fall into the hands of a criminal or mentally ill person, who then used them to slaughter 20 children. At that point the grief would probably make you wish you were dead, but instead you'd face a pile of lawsuits from the families for negligence.

I have seen a lot of debate about gun control since Newtown, and for the most part it seems that both sides are talking past each other. I would hope that at the very least, gun owners can agree that one of the obvious lessons of Newtown is that it's possible to be wrong about who besides you should have access to your guns, and it's possible to be wrong in thinking that your guns are adequately secured. With that in mind, are there adjustments you can make that will decrease the likelihood of your guns falling into the hands of criminals and/or the mentally ill?

Paige:

Spoon,

Unfortunately, if someone really wants to steal something from you, most of the time, the locks, the safes and all the safety precautions will just slow them down, not stop them. The other factor we don't know is what else the safe contained. Some people just have to know what's in the safe, whether it's jewelry, money, documents, family heirlooms or firearms. If it was a key safe, someone could have picked it. If it was a combination safe, well, there is something called a "day lock" where the door is closed and it looks like it's secured, but it's really not. There's so many variables, it's difficult to know what happened. But I always find it interesting that the blame is placed on the legitimate gun owner and not the thief.

lwitherspoon:

Paige

I agree, we don't know what happened, apart from the fact that the guns were not secure enough to prevent thieves from getting them.

Since we don't know what happened, I'm less interested in blaming someone in this case than in thinking about how gun owners can have a greater incentive to take steps that will make their own guns more secure. Education and probably legislation would both contribute to that effort. Ms. Lanza probably thought her guns were sufficiently secure. Sadly, she was wrong, and the consequences were tragic for 26 families including her own. In the wake of Newtown, I hope we can agree that it's a worthwhile goal to work towards reducing the likelihood of future errors in judgement of this sort.

Paige:

I don't think there is any way one can make something totally secure. The Army has had thefts of firearms and other explosive materials from their supply depots. Heck, people even escape from jail and I've heard there is a lively drug trade going on inside jails. There really is only so much one can do. Security is an illusion. Reasonable precaution is something else. Just remember, if Adam Lanza had waited a few days, he would have purchased his firearms from a legitimate source rather than stolen them. And we simply don't know what the outcome of that might have been.

Tim T:

I agree with the comment weapons of mass destruction. I also think if you ask any of the parents of the slaughtered children from Newtown they would agree

Sturm44:

Mark Mattioli doesn't believe more gun control laws would have helped.

http://youtu.be/bFGLpOmIK3I

Neither does Bill Stevens

http://youtu.be/TUA4fpDv1jk

Ken P Jr:

Another weapons of mass destruction comment? Currently CT doesnt even require guns be locked up, unless theyre loaded with kids around. We citizens dont get to decide these things, either a laws been broken or it hasnt. The victim here broke no laws. Maybe a law requireng them be locked up would have stopped these two. Or maybe the thieves found the key/combo?

We need to think too about the effect requireng guns be locked up will have on people lawfully defending themselves too. That happens much more than guns getting stolen.

robdny:

They should have been locked in a gun safe he was 100 percent negligent. If people want to have these weapons of mass destruction they should know how to secure them

Paige:

From the article "He had put them in a safe and locked it."

I don't know if they were handguns or long guns, or even if the safe was a gun safe -- and unless you know the person, you don't either.

Sturm44:

Great hyperbole there with the WMD reference. Perhaps you missed the part where the guns were in a safe.

Mr Norwalk CT:

Perhaps you missed the part where 26 were slaughtered in Newtown

Sturm44:

Perhaps you missed the part where the mother was murdered first.

Jim T:

How is he negligent? Someone stole them.
So its his fault they were stolen?

.jrey:

Yet another example of why we need to ban all guns

lwitherspoon:

Yes, law abiding citizens should be allowed to have guns, but they should also be accountable for what happens when they fail to secure those guns. Thanks to this gun owner's negligence, two more guns are now in the hands of criminals. A fine or citation would be appropriate, at the very least.

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